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AnnieAndre
06-20-2007, 02:33 AM
Before I begin, I want to thank those people who decided to read this post, as well as thank those in advance who decide to offer advice.

I feel the best way to do so is to post part of his e-mails to me: (they are posted in blue)

I have just told you what my one issue is...I have just told you that if I could put that one issue behind me, I could forgive and forget everything else and I will work on all of our other issues together with you so we can have a perfect life.

When I told you to look at my one issue from a third-person point of view, you said you did and you admitted you understood how it looks and why I - or anyone else - would think there is a good possibility you have been unfaithful to me.

And you told me that you have not been unfaithful to me. And honey, I want to believe you so badly. But you have looked me in the eyes on many different occasions and lied to me - sometimes with lies on top of lies. So baby, you understand why I cannot just believe you now.

But honey, you are telling me that you have not been unfaithful. There is a way to put this behind us once and for all. There is a way to take away the doubt you created and restore my faith and trust in you. I recommended it the other night when I found out about the latest lies - take a polygraph test. I know you associate a polygraph test with trashy television shows and criminals, but honey - all it would involve would be you and I going to an office building, meeting with a certified examiner, and answering two questions: "since you and I started dating on March 28th, have you ever had sexual intercourse with anyone", and "since you and I started dating on March 28th, have you ever had any sexual activity of any kind with anyone". No one else would be there, no one else would know (unless you told them).

If you answer those questions and I find out you never crossed that line, my faith in you is restored. I will forgive and forget everything else, but most importantly - I trust you again. I TRUST YOU AGAIN. You will have fixed the situation you created. And we can work on any other issues we have together. And we can get engaged. And we can move away. And we can get married. And we can do anything we want together - have a family, travel the world - it does not matter, because it will be you and me and we will have a wonderful life.

You are telling me that you have not been unfaithful.; so if you are telling the truth, what is there to worry about? Honey, I realize you think this should not have to be part of a relationship - but me having to endure multiple, layered lies and not having any trust in you as a result should not be part of a relationship either. I did not create this situation, I am merely telling you how we can get out of it. You told me several times that if there was a way to make me believe in you, you would do it. Baby - this is the way. It is quick, painless, discreet, and will solve all of our problems. The only reason you would say no is if what you are telling me is not the truth. Otherwise, we can solve our problem in less than an hour - once and for all - and move on with our lives...and start working on forever. I want to be with you forever. I want to trust you again. You know it is the right thing to do if what you are telling me is true.

Be with me forever baby.

I love you always.

Now that you have read his letter - word for word - here is what I need advice on...

The lies that he is speaking of deal with a situation that happened during the first two weeks of our relationship. He and I had agreed to be "exclusive" and had expressed our love for each other. At that point, outside of our relationship, I was dealing with a lot of pain from dealings that were going on in my family (finding out my mother had been cheating on my father for the past 16 years of a 30 year marriage). I was very angry inside then and was going back and forth if I was ready for a relationship. This, I did not communicate to him in fear that I would not be understood, as well as being embarrassed.

On the night in question, I had told him that I was going to out to eat with my father to spend some time with him and to work on a proposal (my father owns a company). I told my Dad about how I was feeling and said I was very overwhelmed, there was so much going on in my life that I didn't want to get caught up in a relationship and mess other things up etc. During dinner, my dad assured me that how I was feeling was ok and that it was ok to be in a relationship etc (he basically helped me through some of my anger and fear). My dad and I left the restaurant and came back to his apartment. It had been three hours since I had talked to my boyfriend.

AnnieAndre
06-20-2007, 02:34 AM
Here is the rest of the story -

When I left my Dad's, I felt I needed to think and clear my mind and I did not want to be around him. I did not want to see him. Also, throughout the night, I had been text messaging a friend of mine (who is male) about hanging out etc. We had been friend for a couple of years, worked together running a semi pro football team, he was friends with a previous ex boyfriend, he worked in the area of town that I live in, he would come by use the computer, chat, nothing more. He would come over a few times during the week and send a few e-mails etc, and I offered to let him have a key for when I was gone to class. Please understand, I am almost 30 years old. I did not want the word "class" to imply me being a teenager. Anyhow, growing up, I have always had male friends - I was even the "best wo-man" in a male friend's wedding. So in my mind and the way I was raised, giving him a key was no big deal.

Now, I also need to say that once I became involved with my boyfriend, my friend no longer came over and we did not talk. I was wrapped up in my boyfriend. But on this particular night, he informed me that he had recently separated from his wife. I had told him that if he wanted to come by that was fine. I was going to be up late anyhow thinking.

I called my boyfriend and told him that I was packing a bag to stay at my dad's apartment and that I would call him in the morning.

A few weeks passed.

My boyfriend decided to ask me if I had been talking to any other men in a romantic manner. I amnswered him "no." After continuous questioning, and I had the same response - he asked me a what if question. "If I were to go through your phone, and I am only asking because I don't want to go through your phone, and look at your calls and text messages, would it say the same things that you are telling me now." I answered, of course. Hours later, he comes back to me and questions me again. I continued to answer, No." Well, he went through my phone and found these text messages that went on until about 1 am. I told him that I stayed at my Dad's and that I never saw anyone.

At this point, he felt I had lied to him about me talking to other men in a romantic manner. He also felt that I had intentions to BE with this man due to his messages telling me that he was separated with his wife (even though I had told him while we were dating that I have never cheated on anyone and that I think that is terrible for another woman to sleep with a married man).

Throughout the relationship, he would ask me about the same night and I continued to tell him the same story. Well, about a week ago - he went to ask for my Dad's blessing to marry me. From my Dad's point of view, he said that is how he prefaced the meeting and began to question him - but of course my boyfriend had another side to the story. Yet that is not what is really important here. The same day, he took me out to dinner where I found out of him meeting my Dad and that he knows I did not stay at his apt.

So, I admitted the entire truth. No, I did not stay at his apartment because I needed to think and get a hold of myself. I did not want to tell him that I didn't want to see him because I was afraid to hurt his feelings. I also told him that my friend DID come by - but it was so late I did not let him in. Furthermore, my boyfriend also left a note on my door and he asked me how I got the note - because the only way that I would have gotten it was if I was leaving or letting someone out. I told him the truth again and told him that my friend had it in his hand when he knocked on the door. I told him he had to leave because it was too late for him to be there.

Well - after all of that - he thinks I cheated. I did not cheat on him. I admit, yes I lied but did not cheat. So he said that he will forgive everything else and move on with everything else if I take a polygraph test. The first thing that popped in my head was HELL NO - excuse my language. But I do not feel that is something that you bring into a relationship to build trust. And it is not the fact of taking the polygraph test - because he constantly tells me that my refusal obviously means guilt - but it has nothing to do with guilt. It is the principle.

And I need help. I love him and I want to make him feel better. Yet, I do not think that is the right thing to do. Can someone please offer me some advice. Maybe what you would do in the situation....something. My brain is so drained - and cloudy because I do love him - that I am at a loss.

Please Help!!

Tuxie
06-20-2007, 02:55 AM
Off topic just a second... DON'T MAKE A NEW THREAD to continue a post please.

Welcome to ATLF annieandre. Sorry, I don't have time to read all your post... but I'm sure one of our other fine members will have time at some point.

Back to topic...

AnnieAndre
06-20-2007, 03:15 AM
My apologies. Won't happen again. : )

Penguin_Woman
06-20-2007, 03:21 AM
Hi Annie. :) Welcome to ATLF. I will answer more throughly tommorow. But here's my quick answer: I think you should take it. Nothing to lose if you do, everything to gain. If you don't...you gain little and stand to lose a lot

nsxcorvette
06-20-2007, 04:31 AM
I think hes just trying to justify to himself putting his trust in you after you lied to him. If he's not sure about you not cheating 100%, he'll always have you it in the back of his mind if he ever catches you lying again, even about something small. Also I think it'd be a good idea to sit down and thouroughly explain your reasons for lying so he understands why and doesn't assume its because you cheated. I do think that at this point though, even a positive lie detector test isn't going to solve the problem and ease his fears, because it doesn't change the fact that you lied and he probably won't be able to completely forget that. Overall I don't think the lie detector test is a good idea because I don't think it will solve anything. The only hope for building trust and overcoming your predicament is a good understanding from both of you about what happened and why, and let time do the rest.

Penguin_Woman
06-20-2007, 10:54 AM
Ok, I'd like to revise my answer some. I still think you should do it, but you should sit down with him and talk too. Explain to him why you lied and that your sorry. That your also sorry he no longer trusts you and you understand. That your going to do this for him because you love him and to ease his mind. But that you can't keep doing it everytime he thinks you've lied or cheated so he's going to have to put some trust into you. :)

gnahtov
08-21-2007, 03:45 PM
Coming from a guy.

Trust is so very important and can make or break a relationship.

Sorry to say but you lied to him again. In his mind, if you are willing to lie about something so minor, what is to stop you from lying about cheating.

My last relationship ended because she could not stop lying. It drove me insane. She swore on her life and her parents life for 10 months and ended up confessing the truth after I sacrificed my family, my money, and my health for her. It's a miracle that I am able to trust the one I am with now even when she told me a few white lies as well.

If you love him and you have nothing to hide, take it for him. I believe it will solve the problem short term.

Long term, the only resolution is to earn his trust by not lying anymore. Tell the truth and regardless of how upset he gets, at least you did the right thing. Make sure you make that clear with him. It is far better to be upset about something than to be lied to and let it damage the relationship.

I know your intentions were harmless but he definitely has his reasoning for what he feels and the fact that you lied makes it that much harder. I feel for the both of you but especially him because I was there at one point.

gnahtov
08-21-2007, 04:09 PM
A few more things to add. I am known or will be known to be pretty blunt. I trust my instincts and they are usually right.

If you truly love your boyfriend and your relationship is as serious as it sounds, shouldnt he be your best friend. Isn't it strange that you choose to not see him when you are going through tough things that are not even related to him? He is the first person you should want to see and talk to. Instead you chose to hang out with a guy friend. Are you sure you truly love him? Am I missing something? Were any of those things you had to "think about" directly related to him?

From his letter, especially mentioning engagement and marriage, you guys sounds very serious. If you feel the same about him, who cares about your guy friends. He is going to dedicate his life to you. Will they?

Sure, its ok to have guy friends but if they were really your friends than they should respect you and your bf's relationship and keep distance.

Honestly, if I were in his shoes, I would think you cheated as well. Form what you posted, I believe you were unfaithful emotionally if not physically.

Sorry but I tell it like it is. You can hate me but you were already in the wrong by lying AGAIN.

daisychip
08-21-2007, 06:53 PM
I don't get it. Why would he consider marrying you if he doesn't trust you? He can say all he wants that it's only one issue but thats not the case at all and to require a polygraph??...........jesus!

Yess you made some bad decisions about the night in question and need to 'prove' yourself but this isn't the way. Polygraphs aren't considered in court for a reason............they're not always accurate.

In my eyes he is using the incident as a means of manipulation............holding the idea of relationship and engagement and marriage over you..........and if you don't jump through these outrageous hoops...............you don't get 'the prize'.

I would tell him that 'you' are calling off the engagement etc., until there is a better line of communication and trust between you. There are other ways of proof if it really 'has to be'...............talk to the supposed tryst man...etc.

I would no way do that...........it's ridiculous and absurd!!

gnahtov
08-21-2007, 07:09 PM
I don't get it. Why would he consider marrying you if he doesn't trust you? He can say all he wants that it's only one issue but thats not the case at all and to require a polygraph??...........jesus!

Yess you made some bad decisions about the night in question and need to 'prove' yourself but this isn't the way. Polygraphs aren't considered in court for a reason............they're not always accurate.

In my eyes he is using the incident as a means of manipulation............holding the idea of relationship and engagement and marriage over you..........and if you don't jump through these outrageous hoops...............you don't get 'the prize'.

I would tell him that 'you' are calling off the engagement etc., until there is a better line of communication and trust between you. There are other ways of proof if it really 'has to be'...............talk to the supposed tryst man...etc.

I would no way do that...........it's ridiculous and absurd!!

He would consider marrying her because he also has reason and hope to believe he can trust her if she can prove herself. If he felt as though he could never trust her or completely believed she did cheat, he would break up and leave. At least that is what I would do.

It sounds as though he loves her very much and this is his way of ending the mistrust issues. It's not the greatest idea but can you honestly think of a better one that will relieve him of the insecurity she has caused by repeatedly lying.

And let's not forget, this lie involved another man one way or another. Put yourself in his shoes. If your man lied to you about where he slept, and you come to find out one of his female friends paid him a visit that night. How would you feel or think? Also what we have heard is her side of the story.

As blunt as I was earlier, I still give her some benefit. I really hope the best for them but in this case, I can not help but feel for him more as I have been in his shoes. When I was in his shoes, I was right about her and her lies in the end. There is more than meets the eye here but from what she has posted, she lied and she needs to do what it takes to earn his trust

daisychip
08-22-2007, 02:55 AM
oh I understand his point of view gnahtov!!!! they are not ready for marriage..................simple.

btw...................I'm not here to fight with YOU on the matter................you give your opinion, I give mine.

she can decide for her own situation what is useful and what is not. If you want to take issue with me on something in the future........feel free to message me................in someones thread is not the place.

gnahtov
08-22-2007, 04:58 PM
My apologies to you daisychip if I sounded offensive. I was just giving you my opinion as well. If we disagree, no big deal.

No hard feelings. I just try to be straight forward.

daisychip
08-22-2007, 05:13 PM
No hard feelings here gnahtov!

We're attracted to the forum for the some of the same reason...........we like to try to be helpful................disagreement is useful too, it widens the area for finding the right answers.